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Munich American
Peace Committee (MAPC)
Radio Lora, 14. Mai 2007
Arun Gandhi
Mahatma Gandhi – ein Vorbild für Gewaltlosigkeit und zivilen Ungehorsam
Der Schriftsteller, Journalist
und Aktivist, Arun Gandhi, ist ein Enkel des indischen Apostels der
Gewaltlosigkeit, Mohandas, Karamchand „Mahatma“ Gandhi.
1991gründete er gemeinsam mit seiner Frau Sananda, in
Memphis, Tennesee das „M.K. Gandhi Institute“
Jedesmal, wenn ich wieder etwas über die amerikanische
Friedensaktivistin Rachel Corrie lese, die in Gaza beim Versuch, den
Abriß eines palästinensischen Wohnhauses zu verhindern, von
einem israelischen Bulldozer überrollt wurde, wird mir
bewußt, wie dankbar wir dieser mutigen Frau sein müssen. Sie
lebte und handelte nach dem Motto meines Großvaters, dass man
bereit sein müsse, für eine Sache zu sterben, aber niemals zu
töten.
Während meines Besuches in Israel und Palästina fragte ich
mich immer wieder, warum sich nur Rachel Corrie den
Abrißfahrzeugen in den Weg gestellt hatte. Lag es vielleicht
daran, dass uns der Zusammenhang von Frieden und Gewaltlosigkeit noch
immer nicht bewußt ist? Es ist höchste Zeit, dass die Kultur
der Gewalt endlich von einer Kultur der Gewaltlosigkeit abgelöst
wird. Solange wir immer wieder Öl ins Feuer gießen, solange
wird es auf der Welt keinen Frieden geben. Gewaltlosigkeit beginnt bei
uns selbst.
Mein Großvater entstammte einer ganz normalen Familie, die sich
allerdings durch ihr großes Mitgefühl auszeichnete. Mein
Urgroßvater hätte als Ministerpräsident eines kleinen
Fürstentums eigentlich ein reicher Mann sein können, weil er
aber viele notleidende Menschen unterstützte, blieb für ihn
und seine Familie kaum etwas übrig. Gerne lud er Vertreter anderer
Kulturen und anderer Religionen zu sich ein, was nicht ohne Wirkung auf
das Denken seines Sohnes blieb. Doch besonders prägend war
sicherlich das Beispiel gewaltlosen Widerstands, das mein
Großvater durch seine Frau am eigenen Leib erlebte. Wie damals
üblich, wurden meine Großeltern bereits mit 13 Jahren
verheiratet. Als der junge Ehemann meinte, sich nach alter Tradition
als strenger Patriarch aufspielen zu müssen, reagierte seine Frau
völlig ruhig und unaufgeregt und verhielt sich weiterhin so, wie
sie es für richtig hielt. Als er dann 10 Jahre später in
Südafrika von weißen Jugendlichen zusammengeschlagen wurde,
verzichtete er auf eine Anzeige, um sie durch diese versöhnliche
Geste von ihren fremdenfeindlichen Vorurteilen abzubringen.
– und tatsächlich sollten aus drei der vier
Schläger lebenslange Anhänger werden..
Wir können der alltäglichen Gewalt nur Einhalt gebieten, wenn
wir lernen, unseren Ärger und unsere Wut zu kontrollieren. Um das
zu erreichen, riet mir Großvater, nicht nur ein
„Ärgertagebuch“ zu führen, sondern auch nach
Ursachen und Lösungsmöglichkeiten zu suchen.. Von ihm lernte
ich, dass es nicht nur körperliche Gewalt gibt. Wer auch nur einen
kleinen Bleistiftstummel verächtlich wegwirft mißbraucht die
Natur und vergeht sich an der Menschheit; denn was die Reichen
wegwerfen, fehlt den Armen. Das ist das berühmte von Menschen
gemachte Ungleichgewicht von dem Rachel Corrie immer sprach.. Denn was
immer uns die Politiker auch erzählen mögen, alles hängt
zusammen.. Kein Staat kann nur sich und seinen Lebensstandard
schützen, keine Nation kann allein überleben .Wenn sich die
Reichen auf das beschränkten, was sie brauchen, müsste
niemand in Not leben und alle wären zufrieden. Neben der
physischen, materiellen, sozialen, religiösen und kulturellen
Gewalt, gibt auch die passive Gewalt und das Nichtstun, durch die wir
Andere so verletzen können, dass sie uns hassen und mit
körperlicher Gewalt reagieren. Nur wenn wir uns der Konsequenzen
unseres Verhaltens bewußt werden, können wir eine Kultur des
Friedens und der Gewaltlosigkeit schaffen.
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Nach Großvaters Philosophie sind wir lediglich die
Treuhänder unserer Fähigkeiten, die wir nicht für unsere
eigenen egoistischen Zwecke ausnützen dürfen, sondern zum
Wohl der Gemeinschaft einsetzen sollen. Dabei müssen wir deutlich
zwischen Mitleid und Mitgefühl unterscheiden. Aus Mitleid greifen
wir für Hungernde und Obdachlose schnell in die Tasche damit sie
möglichst rasch wieder verschwinden. Der Mitfühlende dagegen
erkundigt sich geduldig nach den Gründen für die Notlage und
versucht, für die Betroffenen einen menschenwürdigen Ausweg
zu finden.
Weil viele Menschen die wahre amerikanische Psyche nicht kennen und
– nicht ganz zu unrecht – glauben, dass wir immer nur auf
unsere eigenes Wohl bedacht sind, habe ich eine „Gandhi
Gedächtnis-Tour“ ins Leben gerufen. Jedes Jahr fahre ich mit
25 bis 30 Amerikanern nach Indien und zeige ihnen, wie die Armen in den
Dörfern leben und wie Andere ihnen dabei helfen, ihre Lage zu
verbessern. Da wir an einigen dieser Projekte selbst mitarbeiten,
kommen wir den Menschen näher und beide Seiten beginnen, einander
besser zu verstehen. Vorurteile lassen sich nur korrigieren, wenn wir
auf andere Menschen zugehen, uns aufrichtig für ihre Probleme
interessieren und versuchen, ihnen zu helfen.
Großvaters Philosophie der Gewaltlosigkeit ist auch für das
Justizwesen relevant. Unser Rechtssystem beruht auf dem Prinzip der
Rache, statt auf dem Prinzip der Hoffnung auf Besserung.
Gefängnisse dürfen keine Kerker sein, in die wir Menschen
einsperren und den Schlüssel wegwerfen, sondern Orte der Bildung
und Zuwendung, die die Gefangenen als bessere Menschen verlassen.
Leider gibt es in unseren Gefängnissen zwei tolle Einrichtungen:
einen Turnsaal und eine Bibliothek. Die Insassen verbringen also den
halben Tag damit, im Turnsaal ihre Muskeln zu stählen und
während der zweiten Tageshälfte suchen sie nach juristischen
Schlupflöchern, die sie nach ihrer Entlassung ausnützen
können.. So verlassen sie das Gefängnis als gewiefte
Kriminelle mit einer Top-Kondition und nicht als charakterlich
gestärkte Persönlichkeiten.. Um die Verbrechens- und
Gewaltrate effektiv zu verringern, benötigen wir Gefängnisse
mit psychiatrischer und psychologischer Betreuung, mit
Bildungseinrichtungen und menschlicher Zuwendung.
Es ist uns gelungen, alle Religionen so zu missinterpretierten , dass
Gott von uns verlangt, alle zu töten, die anders sind als wir.
Keine Religion der Welt verlangt so etwas! Alle Religionen beruhen auf
dem Prinzip der Liebe, des Respekts, des Verständnisses und des
Mitgefühls. Für Großvater besaß keine Religion
die ganze Wahrheit, jede verfügte nur über einen kleinen Teil
davon.. Wer also die ganze Wahrheit verstehen will, muss sich
unvoreingenommen mit allen Religionen beschäftigen., sonst ergeht
es ihm so, wie den sechs Blinden, die einen Elefanten beschreiben
sollten. Jeder von ihnen hielt jeweils den Teil den er ertasten konnte,
für den ganzen Elefanten. Je mehr wir über andere Religionen
Bescheid wissen, um so mehr erfahren wir über unsere eigene
Religion.
Weil für ihn alle Religionen gleichberechtigt waren, bestand
Großvater darauf, dass er Hindu, Muslim, Christ, Buddhist und
Jedermann sei und dass es nicht darauf ankäme, von welcher Seite
man einen Berg besteige, solange alle den Gipfel erreichten .
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Wussten Sie, dass Großvaters erste gewaltlose Kampagne in
Südafrika am 11. September 1906 begann? Der 11. September 2006 war
also der hunderte Jahrestag. Hier in den USA gedachte man dieses Datums
aus einem traurigen Grund, es ist der Tag der Terroranschläge.
Trotzdem sollten wir nicht vergessen, dass uns vor 100 Jahren eine
Alternative zu Gewalt geschenkt wurde .Deshalb sollten wir den 11.
September zum Tag des Gebetes für de Opfer von Gewalt und für
Frieden und Vergebung machen, zu einem Tag, an dem Hindus, Muslime,
Christen, Buddhisten und alle anderen nicht jeder für sich in
ihren Kirchen, Tempeln und Moscheen beten, sondern gemeinsam auf den
Straßen und Plätzen..
Schließen möchte ich mit einer Geschichte, die mein
Großvater gerne erzählt hat.. Sie handelt von einem
indischen König, der wissen wollte, was Frieden bedeutet. Und so
lud er alle Gelehrten seines Reiches ein. Doch so sehr sie sich auch
bemühten, keine Antwort konnte den König
überzeugen. Als eines Tages ein fremder Gelehrter vorüber
kam, wurde auch er befragt und er erwiderte, dass nur ein alter Weiser,
der außerhalb des Königreiches lebte, diese Frage
beantworten könne. Da der Alte jedoch zu schwach sei, um zu
reisen, müsse sich der König zu ihm begeben. Als dieser am
folgenden Tag den weisen Mann aufsuchte und ihn fragte, was Frieden
bedeute, nahm der ein Weizenkorn und legte es dem König in die
Hand .“Das ist die Bedeutung von Frieden“, sagte er. Weil
aber der König nicht zugeben wollte, dass er diese Antwort nicht
verstand, brachte er das Getreidekorn zurück in seinen Palast und
legte es in eine kleine goldene Schatulle. Jeden Morgen öffnet er
das Schächtelchen und schaute nach.- aber er fand keine Antwort.
Als der fremde Weise auf seinem Rückweg wieder am
Königspalast vorüber kam, fragte ihn der König sogleich,
was denn das Weizenkorn mit Frieden zu tun habe. „Das ist ganz
einfach“ entgegnete der Weise, „nichts wird passieren
solange du das Korn in der Schatulle aufbewahrst, dort wird es eines
Tages verrotten und verkümmern – und das war es dann. Doch
wenn du es einpflanzt und den Elementen aussetzt, dann wird es wachsen
und gedeihen und du wirst bald der Besitzer eines großen
Weizenfeld sein.“
Das ist die Definition von Frieden. Wenn ein Mensch Frieden gefunden
hat und ihn nur in seinem Herzen verschließt, dann .stirbt auch
der Frieden, wenn dieser Mensch stirbt. .Doch wenn wir Frieden mit
anderen teilen , dann haben wir bald ein großes Feld von
Friedensstiftern. Ich komme heute mit dem Weizenkorn meines
Großvaters zu Ihnen. Wenn Sie es nicht verkümmern lassen,
sondern wachsen und gedeihen, dann können wir eine Welt schaffen,
auf die Rachel Corrie sehr stolz gewesen wäre.
Ich danke Ihnen.
ARUN GANDHI
Gandhian Civil Disobedience and Nonviolence
Olympia, WA 20 April 2006
Arun Gandhi is the grandson of India's apostle of nonviolence, Mohandas
Karamchand " Mahatma" Gandhi. In 1991, Arun Gandhi and his wife
Sunanda, founded The M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence in Memphis,
Tennessee. An author, journalist, and activist, he lectures all over
the world.
When I read about Rachel Conie in the newspapers, I was stunned that
such a thing could have happened, but I was always in a sense elated
that she stood for her convictions and was willing to lay down her life
for her convictions. That is something that very rarely people can do.
It's a very difficult thing to sacrifice one's life for what you
believe in. Rachel did this, and I think she earned the gratitude of
the whole world for showing what Grandfather said during his lifetime.
He said, "I am willing to die, but there is no cause for which I am
willing to kill." Rachel proved this through her life and her actions.
Soon after reading about Rachel, I was invited to Palestine and Israel,
and I went there and I saw the conditions there. They wouldn't allow me
to go to the Gaza Strip, so I didn't go to the place where Rachel was
killed. But what really puzzled me during that visit was why was Rachel
the only one who stood up to this? Why didn't the other people, the
Palestinian young people, also stand along with her?
And I came to the realization that there is still a lot of
misunderstanding around the world about nonviolence and peace, and
people generally, although they believe in peace and they want to work
for peace, don't believe in nonviolence. I feel that this is wrong,
because I don't think that we can create peace in the world if we don't
first accept the philosophy of nonviolence. To me, what we need to
change is the culture of violence that we have created in the world and
replace it with a culture of nonviolence. It's only when we are able to
do that that we will eventually succeed in working for peace and establishing peace in the world.
I often look at the situation that we face in the world in terms of an
imaginary situation. Try to imagine this scenario in your own life. If
you saw a building on fire, and if you saw the fire department come
there with a tanker full of water and a tanker full of gasoline, and
the fire department is pumping gasoline with one hand and water with
the other, will they be able to put an end to that fire? I don't think
so. I don't think that fire will ever be ended if we keep pumping gas
into the fire. Basically that's what we are doing when we are working for peace,
because we are working for peace on the one hand and yet we subscribe
to the culture of violence on the other hand. The two don't really meet. So we need to take another look at what we
are doing in the world and what kind of a culture we have created in
the world.
Grandfather came to this conclusion himself, and he believed that we
have to change ourselves, that we have to subscribe to the culture of
nonviolence in our own lives and through our lives help other people
understand and accept this philosophy. That's how he developed this
whole idea of nonviolent action.
But how did he come to that conclusion? He wasn't born a special
person. In his autobiography he has often written about how he came
from a very ordinary family, that there was nothing special about his
family or his upbringing that enabled him to understand the philosophy of nonviolence. Yet I think he was
wrong in one sense, and that is that although the Gandhi family is an
ordinary, regular family, there is nothing exceptional about us, there
was one thing very exceptional about his parents. That was that they
had an enormous amount of compassion. And that reflected in their
relationships and their attitudes towards people.
They had so much compassion that when my greatgrandfather was the prime
minister of a state in India - and ordinarily a prime minister is next to
the ruler and therefore ought to be very rich because he would be paid
very well and have a lot of perks and all that - he was never very rich,
because he always gave his wealth away to people in need. Often his
friends asked him, "What are you doing? You are giving everything away.
What about your future? Are you thinking about your future or not?" His
reply to them was, "My need in the future is less important than the
need of the people right now. I want to help them now, and I'm not
concerned about the future." So he gave all his wealth and his
possessions to people who needed it.
But he was also very interested in learning about other cultures and
other religions. They would periodically invite leaders from all the
different religions represented in that state to come home and have
dinner with them and have a friendly discussion so that they could
learn about each other's religion.
Grandfather was exposed to all of these happenings at home, and that
influenced him substantially in understanding, eventually, the
philosophy of nonviolence.
What really brought awareness to him occurred at the age of 13. You are
perhaps aware of this fact, I am not sure, but Grandfather was married
at the age of 13. In those days it was quite common for Indian people
to get married at that young age. So both of them were 13 years old
when they got married.
Grandfather said that at that age he didn't know what the role of the
husband should be, who should lay down the roles and who should enforce
the rules. So he went to the library and started reading books on the
subject. Obviously, all these books were written by male chauvinists,
because they all talked about how the husband should lay down the rules
and enforce them strictly. So after reading this, he came home and he told Grandmother, "From
tomorrow on, you are not going to step out of the house without my
permission. That is the law, and you're going to obey it, and I want no
arguments about it." And Grandmother didn't say anything, didn't retort
or reply to him. She just quietly went to bed, got up the next day, and continued to do
what she always did, continued to go out and visit, and never bothered
to get Grandfather's permission.
After a few days, when he realized that she was not obeying him, he
confronted her again and said, "How dare you disobey me? Haven't I told
you that you should not stir out of the house without my permission?"
And at that point Grandmother very quietly, without losing her temper,
asked him, "I was brought up to believe that we must always obey the elders
in the house, and I believe the elders in this house are your parents.
If you're trying to tell me that I should not obey your mother but obey
you instead, let me know so that I can go and tell your mother I'm not
going to obey her." And, of course, he couldn't tell her to do that, so
the whole matter was settled, without anybody losing their temper or
losing their relationship.
If we think about this, if somebody were to tell us something like
that, we would explode. We would get angry and say, " How dare you tell
me that? Who do you think you are?" and so on. Before we know it, the
conflict has escalated to a level that' sometimes breaks the
relationship. That's when Grandfather came to the conclusion that
learning to control one's anger is the first step in understanding the
philosophy of nonviolence.
This, belief was enforced when he went to South Africa. a the age of
23. Within a week of his arrival in that country, he became a victim of
prejudices and he was beaten up by four white youths, who were arrested
by the police. The police invited Grandfather to come to the police
station and file charges against them so that action could be taken.
And Grandfather went to the police station, but on his way to there he
began to think about this, and he thought, will filing charges and
punishing them make them realize that what they did was wrong? Will
that teach them any lessons? He concluded that that would never teach
them any lesson that he wanted them to learn, and that the only way
they would learn that lesson was if he forgave them and allowed them to
go free.
So at the police station he told the police, "I'm not filing charges
against them." The police were aghast, and they said, "If you don't
file charges, these people are going to walk out of the police station
free." He said, "That's what I want them to do. I want them to walk out from here, and I hope that they will learn this
lesson, that I am forgiving them for what they have done to me. But I
hope that they will learn that this kind of behavior is wrong and that
we don't need to have hate and prejudice against other people." Those
people walked out from there, and three of the four people became his
lifelong followers. That's when he realized how important it is for us
to understand what we mean by justice and what we mean by anger.
Today experts tell us that almost 80% of the violence that we
experience in our lives is generated by anger. We get angry and we just
explode and do things that sometimes we regret later on. Our prison
systems are filled with young people who acted in a moment of madness.
If you went and asked them, they would all want to take that moment
back again. But once you have done it, you can't do anything to take it
back again. So it's important that we learn how to understand our anger
and be able to channel that energy positively.
1 had that opportunity because I grew up in South Africa and, like
Grandfather, I became a victim of prejudices, too. At a very young age
I was beaten up by some white youths because they thought I was too
black, and then a few months later by black people because they thought
I was too white. It filled me with a lot of rage, and I wanted
eye-for-an-eye justice. That's when my parents decided to take me to
India and give me the opportunity to live with Grandfather and learn
some valuable lessons from him.
One of the first lessons that I learned from him was about
understanding that anger and being able to channel that energy into
positive action. He told me, "Anger is like electricity: It's just
as powerful and just as useful as electricity is, but only if we use it
intelligently. It can be just as deadly and destructive if we abuse
it. "So just as we channel electricity and bring it into our lives
and use
it for the good of humanity, we must learn to channel anger in the same
way so that we can use that energy for the good of humanity rather than
abuse the energy."
He suggested that I should write an anger journal. He said, "Every time
you feel anger coming up for whatever reason, don't pour it on somebody
or something, but pour it all out in your journal. But write the journal
with the intention of finding a solution to the problem, and then
commit yourself to finding a solution." That's really important,
because a lot of people today tell me today that they have been writing
an anger journal for a long time, but it hasn't really helped them
because every time they read the journal they are reminded of the
incident and they become angry all over again.
But he also taught me how profound his philosophy is. We tend to look
at violence only in physical terms, and we think that the moment we put
an end to war or fighting somewhere, that we have attained peace.
That's not true at all. We commit violence in so many different ways.
He explained this to me through a little pencil. A little, 3-inch butt
of a pencil became a major subject for a lesson in nonviolence.
When I was coming back from school one day and I had this little pencil
in my hand, I looked at it and I thought I deserved a better pencil,
this is too small for me to use. So without a second thought, I just
threw it away, because I was so sure that Grandfather would give me a
new pencil when I asked him for one. But that evening, instead of
giving me a new pencil, he subjected me to a lot of questions. He
wanted to know how the pencil became small and where did I throw it
away and why did I throw it away, and on and on and on. I couldn't
understand why he was making such a fuss over a little pencil until he
told me to go out and look for it. I said, "You must be joking. You
don't expect me to look for this little pencil in the dark." He said,
"Oh, yes, I do. Here's a flashlight. Go out and look for it"
I must
have spent about two hours searching for that pencil When I finally
found it and brought it to him, he said, "Now I want you to sit here
and learn two very important lessons. The first lesson is that even in
the making of a simple thing like a pencil, we use a lot of the
world's natural resources, and when we throw them away, we are throwing
away the world's natural resources. And that is violence against
nature. And the second lesson is that because in an affluent society we
can
afford to buy all these things in bulk, we overconsume the resources of
the world, and because we overconsume them, we are depriving people
elsewhere of these resources. And that is violence against humanity.
"
That's when I became aware that all of these little things that we do
every day, consciously and unconsciously, every time we throw things
away that are perfectly good, we are contributing to violence in
society. That's how the imbalance in the world takes place, where some
people are really rich and some people have to live in poverty. And
it's that kind of imbalance that Rachel was talking about in all her
writings, that she was so concerned about the poor people. And when she
said "We are them and they are us," what she was saying is that we are
all interrelated, that we cannot think of ourselves as independent
individuals.
Today a lot of us think that we are independent, we can protect our
nation. Politicians tell us, "Don't worry. We'll protect our nation.
We'll build a security network around us so that nobody can disturb our
lifestyle," that we can continue to live as we do now and we don't have
to worry about the rest of the world. No nation can survive on its own.
We can survive only if all the others survive also. So the only
security that we have in the world is to ensure that everybody else in
the world has a better standard of living, which means that we may have
to sacrifice a little bit ourselves. But look at the pleasure it will
give to people allover the world and how we can all live together
instead of being so greedy and concerned only about ourselves.
Unfortunately, this kind of materialistic, capitalistic world that we
are creating has the tendency to make each one of us selfish and
self-centered and greedy and wanting to take the bigger share of the
pie, as big a share of the pie as we can. And that is what is causing
all the havoc in the world today. The imbalance and the lack of concern
for other people and things that are happening in every nation of the
world are causing this kind of violence. So we have to understand that
violence is not just physical violence; it is all the religious
violence, the material violence, the social violence, the cultural
violence, all of these things that we do to one another.
Grandfather made me draw a family tree of violence on the same
principles as a genealogical tree, with violence as the grandparent and
physical violence and passive violence as the two offspring. Every day
before I went to bed, I had to analyze everything that I had
experienced during the day and put them on that tree. If it was the
kind of violence where I used physical violence against another, then
it would go on the physical violence. All the murders and killings and
beatings and rapes and all of these wars and all of these actions where
we use physical force is physical violence. But we commit a lot of
passive violence, the kind of violence where we don't use any physical
force but nevertheless our actions or inactions hurt somebody some way
or the other. Sometimes we do this unconsciously. We are not aware that
our actions here are hurting somebody else, because we have not learned
about thinking about other people. But when he made me do this exercise
every day, it was a way for me to do self-introspection, to find out
how I was contributing to violence in society all the time. And when I
began to do this, within a few months I was able to fill up a whole
wall in my room with acts of passive violence.
That's when Grandfather explained to me the connection between the
two. He said, "We commit passive violence all the time, consciously and
unconsciously, and that generates anger in the victim. The victim then
resorts to physical violence to get justice. It is passive violence
that fuels the fire of physical violence. So logically, if we want to
put out the fire of physical violence, we have to cut off the fuel
supply. And since the fuel supply comes from each one of us, unless we
become the change that we wish to see in the world, we can't really
create peace in the world. So we have to look at ourselves, look at our
actions, look at our behaviors, look at our relationships with each
other and correct them so that we can create the culture of nonviolence
and peace that we want. We can attain peace only through nonviolence.
We will never be able to attain peace through any other means. So we
have to be conscious of that culture of nonviolence."
Grandfather, in his philosophy, had also evolved what he called
trusteeship and constructive action, two aspects of his philosophy, things
that each one of us, individually or collectively, can do to bring
about a change in the world. What he meant by this was that all of us
have a talent that we have either acquired through our education or
inherited. But we think that we own the talent, and therefore we
exploit that talent for our own personal gain as much as possible, to
achieve whatever our ambition may be. Grandfather said that we don't
own the talent, we are trustees of the talent. As trustees of the
talent, we should be willing to use talent for other people as much as we
use it for ourselves. That means helping other people in sharing with
other people. But there again, it has to be done constructively.
When we give to people today, most of the time we give in charity. And
often charity is something that comes out of pity instead of coming out
of compassion. Let me explain the difference between the two. When we
go out into the marketplace and we see a hungry, homeless person, our
immediate reaction is to dip our hands in the pocket and give the
person a dollar or two dollars and say, "Here, take this. Go and get
something to eat." What we are actually telling that person, not
through our language but through our action, is, "Take this money and
get out of my face, and I hope that I don't see you again. You are an
embarrassment and I don't want to see you again." That is acting out of
pity. But if we were to act out of compassion, then we would stop to
find out, why is this person incapable of taking care of himself or
herself and what are the strengths that this person possesses which can
be exploited so that they can stand on their own feet and feed
themselves, and then help them realize those strengths. That is acting
out of compassion.
But it means getting involved more deeply than we would like to,
because we are so concerned about ourselves and our own lives and our
own things that we don't want to spend too much time for other people.
That's a mistake that we make. Because if we spend a little time for other people, we can do wonders,
we can achieve great things. There are numerous stories of such actions
taking place everywhere, where one person or a few people have made a
tremendous difference in the lives of many people. That's what we need
more and more.
Today a lot of people in the world misunderstand us, because they think
that we don't care about the rest of the world, that we care only about
ourselves and our own lives and doing everything for ourselves here.
For the most part, that's what really happens. So there is that kind of
misunderstanding between peoples of the world and ourselves: they don't
understand us and the true American psyche. And we need to change that.
A little step that I've taken in trying to bring about that
understanding and change is I have organized a Gandhi legacy tour.
Every year I take about 25 to 30 people to India, and we go out into
the villages and see the people who live in poverty and how other
people have made sacrifices of their lives to go and help these poor
people and transform them. We go and see those projects and get
inspired by those projects and try to help them in whatever little way
we can to speed up the process of transformation. That's how people
come close to us and understand us and don't have these wrong
impressions of us.
I would like to share with you a story. Some years ago, I was traveling
from South Africa to India by ship. On board the ship there was a
senior American lady. The two of us got on very well together, and we
used to sit and talk and dine together. But as we came close to Bombay,
now Mumbai, she began to stay more and
more in the cabin, until the day before we reached Bombay, she locked
herself in the cabin and she refused to come out. I thought that she
was not well, so I went and knocked at the door, and said, "Can I bring
something to you? Can I help you in some way? Do you need any medical
help or whatever?
Why aren't you coming out of the cabin?" And then she tells me through
the door, "I've decided I'm not going to step out of this cabin until
the ship leaves Bombay. I'm scared of Bombay." I said, " What are you
scared of?" She said, "I've been told that Bombay is teeming with
snakes, that you find snakes everywhere - in your hotel room, under the
beds and in the cupboards and everywhere. There are snakes all over the
place." I told her, "I've lived here for 20 years here in Bombay, and I
haven't seen snakes anywhere. If at all, Bombay is teeming with people,
not snakes."
But, you see, these kinds of wrong impressions that we
have about each other is wrong. We need to change those impressions.
And the only way we can change that is when we have interactions with
each other and go out, and with compassion and understanding we meet
people and talk to them about this.
There are endless aspects of his philosophy of nonviolence. I will go
into a couple of them very briefly. One of them is our justice system.
Our justice system today is based on revenge. We are constantly told
that unless we make somebody pay for what has happened to us, we can
never put an end to that episode. So we are all seeking justice through
revenge: make somebody pay for this. Justice ideally should not be
revenge. Justice should mean reformation. Justice should mean
recognizing the
fact that somebody who has done something wrong has done it out of
ignorance or out of some compulsion, and that person needs specialized
attention to correct that impression of him. Grandfather said that
prisons should not be places where we lock people up and throw the keys
away. Prisons should be places where we educate people and give them
specialized attention, so that they come out better human beings.
Today in our prison system, unfortunately we have two wonderful things:
we have a wonderful gymnasium and a wonderful law library. The
prisoners spend half the time in the gymnasium pumping iron and
building muscles and the other half of the time in the law library
trying to find loopholes that they can exploit when they come out
again. So they come out stronger criminals instead of coming out
stronger human beings. If we make prisons places of specialized education and specialized
attention, psychiatric and psychological attention for these prisoners,
that would be a much better way of dealing with crime and reducing all
the violence that we experience today.
The other thing that we do is very painful today, because we kill in
the name of God. We have misinterpreted all the religions to such an
extent that we believe God wants us to kill those who are not like us.
No religion in the world ever talks about this at all. All the
religions of the world are based on the four principles of love,
respect, understanding, and compassion. These are the foundations of all the religions of the world Grandfather
said, through his learning and his experiences when he came to the
conclusion, "No religion of the world has the whole truth, all of them
have a little bit of the truth. And the only way we can come to understand the whole truth is by sharing and
learning about each other."
He used. to explain this to us in
terms of the six blind people who were once asked to describe an
elephant by feeling it. Each one of them was placed at a different part
of the elephant, and each one was feeling a different part of the
elephant. The one who was feeling the legs of the elephant, said, "This
feels like a huge pole." The one who was feeling the body of the
elephant said, "This feels like a huge wall." The one who had the trunk
of the elephant said, "This feels like a huge snake." None of them were
right, but none of them were wrong either. It was just that they didn't
know what the whole elephant looked like, so they had that very little
bit of the truth there. Grandfather said that that is our state in
terms of our religious understanding: We have that little bit of the
truth, and we think that that is the whole truth. Therefore, we hold on
to that as being the ultimate truth, and it is a very distorted truth
that we have..
So it's a question between those who believe that they possess the
truth and those who believe that we can only pursue the truth. If you
believe that you possess the truth, then you have a closed mind and
you're not willing to look at anything else and you think that you have
the truth and that's it, finished. But if you believe that you pursue
the truth, then you have an open mind and you are willing to look at
other religions and accept the truth from them also and enhance your
own understanding of your religion. Learning about other religions does
not mean that you give up your own. You enhance your own understanding
of your own religion by learnin g about others.
And that's what he did in his lifetime. Whenever anybody asked him, he
said, "I am a Hindu, I am a Muslim, I am a Christian, I am a Buddhist, I
am everybody. Because I believe in the equality of all the beliefs." He
used to say that religion is like climbing a mountain. We are all going
up to the same peak, so why should it matter to anybody which side of
the mountain we choose to climb up from. So if we have that kind of an
attitude towards religion, an open attitude, where we are willing to
learn about each other, it would make a tremendous difference in
understanding each other and bridging the gaps that exist between us.
I don't know whether you're all aware of this, but Grandfather started
his first nonviolent campaign in South Africa on September 11, 1906. So
September 11, 2006 is the centenary year of that occasion. In this
country it is significant, obviously, for a negative reason. It was the
day the terrorists attacked us. But let's look at the positive side of
it. It's also the day that we were given an alternative to violence. So
let us pray for those who died in violence and let us pray for peace
and forgiveness on that day. If all of us can come out into the town
square. We pray in our places of worship, in churches, in mosques, in
temples. That's okay. What I want is that we come out into the town
square, all the Hindus and the Muslims and the Christians and the
Buddhists, everybody comes out into the town square, holds hands, and
prays together in each other's religious beliefs.
Let us all do this together, as Gandhi did it during his lifetime. His
daily prayers every day consisted of hymns from all the major religions
of the world. We grew up on that kind of religious belief that every
morning and evening our prayers at home and even outside in public
included hymns from all these different religions. That is a way to
show respect for each other.
I would like to conclude with one more story , a story that my
Grandfather used to be very fond of telling us over and over again.
It's the story of an ancient Indian king who once became very Curious
about the meaning of peace. He invited all the intellectuals in his
kingdom to come and explain the meaning of peace, and everybody came
and did their best, but nobody could satisfy the king. Then one day
there was an intellectual from another town who came on a visit, and
the king asked him to explain the meaning of peace. This person said,
"The only person who can give you a satisfactory answer is an old sage
who lives outside your kingdom. He is so old that he cannot come to
you. You will have to go to him and ask him this question." So the
next day the king went to the sage and asked him the meaning of peace.
And the sage quietly went to the back of the house and came back with a
grain of wheat and placed that grain of wheat on the king's palm and
said, "Here is the meaning of peace." And, of course, the king didn't
know what a grain of wheat had to do with peace. And he wasn't about to
show his ignorance, so he quietly clutched that grain of wheat and went
back to the palace. He found a little gold box, and he placed that
grain of wheat in the box. Every morning he would get up and open the
box to look for an answer, but he couldn't find any answers there.
A few days later this intellectual came back on a return visit, and the
king asked him to explain. He said, "You sent me to the sage, and he's
given me this grain of wheat. I don't know what a grain of wheat has to
do with peace." So this intellectual said, " It's very simple. As long
as you keep this grain of wheat in the box, nothing is going to happen.
It will eventually rot and perish, and that will be the end of the
story. But if you allowed this grain of wheat to interact with all the
elements, if you planted this outside in the soil, it would sprout and
grow, and very soon you could have a whole field of wheat."
That is the
meaning of peace, that if one person has found peace and if that person
keeps it locked up in his heart for his own personal gain, it will
perish with him. But if we allowed to it interact with all the
elements, we could spread it and it would sprout and grow, and very
soon we would have a whole world of peacemakers. So I have come to you
today with that grain of wheat that I got from my Grandfather, and I am
giving you that grain of wheat today. I hope that you won't let it
perish but let it interact with all the elements so that all of us
together can create a world of peace that Rachel would be proud of.
Thank you very much.
Q&A
The question was about Grandfather and why he named his movement
satyagraha. When he started the movement in South Africa, he first used
the term ""passive resistance." Then after a while he realized that
there is nothing passive about the movement. So he changed it and used
a phrase of Tolstoy , but that didn't suit his taste either. So he
then devised a term in Hindi which means the force of truth, or the
pursuit of truth. Then he came to the conclusion that this is not a strategy. There are
those of us who believe that nonviolence is a strategy that we can use
when it is convenient and discard it when it is not. It is not a
strategy. It is something that has to become a way of life. When he
used the term satyagraha to describe his movement, he said, "This not only describes the movement but it
describes life itself, that life itself must be a constant pursuit of
truth for each one of us. And if we do that honestly and with
understanding and compassion, then we will ultimately reach some
understanding of the truth."
There's one thing I don't understand completely. In reference to the
extreme of this nonviolent perspective, What about physically defending
someone in need of it, a child that's being hurt by someone next to you
and the only way you can prevent that is by stepping in and blocking
the punch and hurting that person back? What is your perspective in
that situation?
Oh, yes, I do believe that in such situations some violence is
absolutely necessary and we have to take that. We cannot create an
absolutely nonviolent society. That would be impossible, because in the
very act of walking around we are crushing little life forms, and
that's violence also. So some violence is inevitable, and we should be
ready to use that. But we must reduce the level of violence to the bare
minimum. We should not make violence the first option, but the absolute
last option.
I am very interested in the subject of reaching out to people that you
disagree with. Oftentimes within a movement like this, even a
well-organized event like this, we end up gathering together people who
share common values. And yet it seems that the front line of the peace
movement is talking to people whom we disagree with and from whom we
have a different perspective. This somehow seems to relate to the
question of personalizing evil also. I'm just curious what your
suggestions are for how to conduct that work on the front lines of
actually reaching out to people who do not share the same values that
we do.
I think we have to remember that nonviolence is something that enables
us to work at all times and create an atmosphere and create better
relationships. Unfortunately, we take note of situations only when they
become a crisis. And when they blow up into a crisis, then we want to
intervene and find a solution to it. Often, tempers are so high at that
time that finding a nonviolent solution becomes very difficult, so it
makes everything difficult. But if we continuously work, all the time,
to create better relationships between people, to be active, to be a
true community.
We think that we have a community today, but we don't have a community
anywhere, because a community ideally must be interconnected,
interrelated. It has to be cohesive. The community has to be cohesive.
Unfortunately, today we live in neighborhoods, but we don't even know
who is living next door to us and we don't care about that either. So
that is not a community. So we need to work at all of these different
things and create that kind of cohesiveness between us so that we can
iron out the differences before they blow up and become big issues.
My name is Julia, and I'm 11 years old. What age did you realize that your grandfather's methods of peace were working for you?
I wasn't a very bright boy. It took me some time to understand the
importance of his philosophy. All these stories that I shared with you
and many more stories that you will read in my book, took place when I
was between 12 and 14 years of age. And I won’t say that they
really made an impact on me at that time, but as I grew older and I
began to reflect on all of these things, I began to understand how
important they were. So I can’t pinpoint an age and tell you that
at this age it happened. I think it was just a process that took place
gradually over my life. And every day I see new things and new things
are revealed to me.